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Southwest "Too Fat To Fly" Apology Too Little, Too Late?

Posted by Sheila Shayon on May 18, 2011 11:30 AM

Turning to other "airline brands under fire", Southwest is losing its mojo and needs to work on restoring its reputation.

As Kenlie Tiggeman told NBC News, the airline, once revered as a trendy alternative brand in a highly competitive industry, needs sensitivity training. Tiggeman and her mother, Joan Charpentier, were on a layover in Dallas on Easter Sunday, when a Southwest employee singled them out (along with another passenger) for their weight. 

After a very public 45 minute conversation about their weight and clothing size, they were told by an agent they were — in words Southwest is still living down — “Too fat to fly,” said Tiggeman. "I asked him what the weight restrictions were and he said that he didn't know, just that we were too heavy to fly.” 

Did Southwest learn anything from last year's Kevin Smith debacle?

Eventually the airline employee offered this proposal: Tiggeman, Charpentier and a third overweight woman could fly if they agreed to sit together. 

"Of course my daughter was okay with that. But I wasn't because the deal I made with Southwest when I left, I bought a ticket and it's open seating, and you can sit wherever you want," said Charpentier. 

Southwest's "Customers of Size" policy states that passengers who can’t fit between the armrests, 17 inches apart, must buy a second seat.

Finally, a supervisor intervened and the women were allowed to fly without purchasing additional seats, and were given flight vouchers and an apology.

Too little too late? Is Southwest planning to publically humiliate more customers for their weight? Presumably not, but the damage has been done, as other customers — including those not likely to catch the eye of Southwest's bouncers — are outraged by the discriminatory treatment of their fellow passengers.

Tiggeman used her blog, the wonderfully titled All the Weigh, to tell her story, noting: "For the record, I can sit in any seat on the plane with the armrests down. I can use the seat tray table to place my laptop or water comfortably in front of me. I can cross my legs, read a book and/or listen to my iPod without encroaching on the seat next to me."

Adding insult to injury: Tiggeman, a New York-based political strategist, was proud to have lost 120 pounds in the last two years. "It doesn't matter how far I have come. I have a long way to go, but no one sees that. All they see is my exterior — someone who is fat," she says.

The incident followed another Southwest black eye, of groundings due to the discovery of airplane cracks — news which plummeted the brand’s buzz score from 26 in early April to 19 just ten days later.

The airline's peak score of 42 at the end of January dropped to 24.8, according to YouGov's Brand Index, after posing two questions about Southwest:  1. "If you've heard anything about the brand in the last two weeks, was it positive or negative?"  and 2.  "Is it high quality or low quality?" 

Beyond the Smith and Tiggeman weight-related incidents, Southwest is no newcomer to reputation ‘crashes’ and its 2008 crisis over inspection lapses of Boeing 737s took six months to adjust in consumer perception, cost the airline a $10 million F.A.A. fine, and forced  8% of its fleet to be grounded. Southwest’s buzz score went from 20 to -20 in three weeks. 

Safety is obviously one of the key influencers in consumer perception of airlines and has long-term implications for brand reputation. But compassion to paying customer’s ranks high as well — and Southwest is lagging in both.

"Their sensitivity level needs to change, period. It needs to be different,” says Tiggeman.

This time, are they listening?

Comments

meister80 United States says:

I have *some* sympathy. Airline seats aren't comfortable. BUT, the airlines would lose MILLIONS++ adding larger seats in lost revenue, which isn't cost affective given the small number of large people who currently choose not to fly because of small seats. -since she mentioned that she is a 'free market capitalist,' that's what you get. The boarding agents have 20 gazillion tasks to accomplish in a small amount of time to get planes out on time.  Walking down the hallway is a nice THOUGHT.  This woman was clearly too large for one seat and should have known to purchase another - this was self-inflicted!  I sympathize with her, and I disagree.

May 18, 2011 06:17 PM #

Nesser United States says:

I completely disagree with the last comment. Airlines are cruising for a lawsuit by not specifying the weight or size someone needs to be to avoid buying the second seat.  Passengers are suppose to magically know if they will fit or not, and if they are on the cusp be humiliated by airline employees in public. I don't understand why they cant put a couple of larger seats on each plane and charge 20% more for those to make up for the extra seat they might lose. I bet the larger seats would be filled all the time and probably by people who are not obese but just want a little more personal space. Last time I checked Americans were getting larger not smaller so isn't it good business sense to provide good customer service? The airlines would not lose millions, they would lose nothing.  

May 18, 2011 06:51 PM #

April United States says:

Diet!  Stop thinking only yourself, think of other people too.
I can understand if you have medical condition.  OTHERWISE STOP EATING! Don't expect other to accommodate your fat, help yourself.

May 19, 2011 12:12 AM #

Shijen United States says:

I agree. I am a aerospace engineer and have worked for both the airline industry and the military while I was a pilot. I am petite but, I have sisters who are not and they seem to just think it's OK. I have no idea why anyone would think being fat is OK. It's not. They should be more concerned with their health regardless of whether they can fly or not. They want everyone else to just be just as happy to accommodate them.They pay extra for clothing, furniture, cars, and we know food so, why not fly comfortable? The industry cannot completely redesign every aircraft for people who refuse to redesign themselves. They want the airline to change but, not their lifestyles. Yes, people with health problems have little or no control of their size but, why not prevent these issues in the first place.  Diet, exercise and pull back from the table. If not, there is a high rate of diabetes, heart attacks and strokes. We all know this so, why not just admit, "I messed up" so, they are correct, "My butt is too big". I don't want to be on an airplane full of fat seats filled with fat people. Hell no!!! . Passenger planes are for passengers. Cargo is for freight. They are freight. In this country, freight is a little cheaper. They might want to give it a try. The airline was right. they are fat.

The more weight an airplane has to carry, the more fuel it uses. The more the weight and balance issues becomes a risk. The airlines have gone to smaller planes to reduce the fuel cost and help passengers save money. We will all pay extra if these people have their way.

May 21, 2011 05:30 PM #

Kurre United Kingdom says:

Sorry, but even if you're a "big" person that has never flown before, you can't have missed the fact that there may be a problem with your seating... Uncomfortable airline seats are a part of our society's common knowledge. Just as the fact that eating too much isn't good for you.
"Too fat to fly" is a fact of life. Live with it. Or get one.

May 19, 2011 05:16 AM #

Ray Fougere United States says:

If you sympathize with the robust passangers you never sat next to one with rolls of fat expanding into your space.  A truly ugly feeling.  The outcry from the public is proof we are an overweight nation being complacent and getting worse.  Not the sign of a great society.  I agree with Southwest.

May 19, 2011 08:25 AM #

frequent flyer United States says:

I fly at least twice per month and know the super large people that this article is referring to.  While I agree that airline seats are tight an uncomfortable, these people have to know that if they can't fit in the seats of their own car that the drove to the airport they are for sure not going to be able to fit into the seats on the plane!

They have to know they are not going to fit into the seats on the plane because they don't fit into almost every place that is built for people that are within the normal human size range (which I consider to be within 100 lbs of your ideal weight) including theme park ride seats, bathroom stalls and just about everything else.

When I have to sit next to people like this I HATE it because not only my space, but my rights are being infringed on.  Why should I have to suffer because they have to treated with so much compassion because heaven forbid an abnormally huge person feels violated.  They are fat because they chose to be, I should not have to be punished because of their choice.  I'm sick of catering to the needs of the few outspoken individuals that are constantly claiming to having their feelings hurt.  What about the needs of the majority that get screwed because they have to sit between two giant humans because its the only seat left after they got to board the plane first because they are so huge they need help to board.

If I want to bring a second bad on most airlines I have to pay so if I want to bring extra weight then it's only fair I have to pay. Its a choice!


May 19, 2011 11:50 AM #

ConcernedNYC United States says:

No one should feel sorry for this woman. I knew "Kenlie" (not her real name btw) personally and she does nothing but fabricate fantastical stories which are meant to elicit sympathy and money. As an example, she used to have photos of a beautiful, tall woman in a bikini that she would say were here before some medical condition that caused her to gain 300 lbs out of thin air. She would tell guys that the doctors had figured out the problem and she would be back to that in no time. She would further tell people that her uncle died and she inherited millions of dollars including his penthouse in SoHo that she was rented out because the memories were too sad to stay there herself. Despite all this she never had any money and was always borrowing money because supposedly all this money she inherited was tied up in the court system. When first meeting her she seems like a nice person and she is skilled at eliciting sympathy but the minute you question anything she tells you, watch out because she'll come after you and threaten to sue you. Her former friends still haven't figured out what is truth and what is fiction but there's a lot more fiction than their is truth. Be wary of this woman because she'll take you for an emotional and financial ride if given the chance.

May 19, 2011 12:05 PM #

Standup for your customers United States says:

Southwest stand up for your customers. We who are in the majority should not have to suffer for hours with someone that is pouring over into our seat or our armrest. If they can not occupy only their seat than they should have to pay for two and take up those seats. No one can possibly say they do not know that really obese people should have to pay for two seats. This has been talked about for years.

May 19, 2011 07:58 PM #

S. Shayon says:

It has been said that the worst prejudice there is - is against obese people...Do you agree?

May 20, 2011 09:57 AM #

Disgusted United States says:

I am so sick of fat pigs thinking that everyone should accommodate them!  I certainly will not put up with a huge person leaking over into my seat.  Who wants to cuddle up to some fat, disgusting, probably smelly stranger for hours at a time?  I definitely discriminate against obese people, in the same way I discriminate against crackheads and meth users.  Just because you choose to abuse your body and thus make yourself offensive to the vast majority of society does NOT mean the rest of us have to tolerate your disgusting behavior.  You want to only pay for one seat?  Then put down the fork, pick up your lazy butt and get yourself to a reasonable size!  

May 20, 2011 06:59 PM #

Mike United States says:

I agree with Southwest 100%.  They have a stated policy. If you are too large to fit between the armrests, then you must buy a second seat.  I have traveled all over the world and when I see someone who has to take up the armrest to fit in their seat and mine, I will not sit next to them and exercise my rights by asking for another seat or that they move or be ejected if no other seats are available.

I have rights too...why should I pay for a seat that some person who has no self control feels they can take from me.  No self control or a medical problem...then, get lap band surgery.

May 21, 2011 09:40 AM #

Shijen says:

I agree. I am a aerospace engineer and have worked for both the airline industry and the military while I was a pilot. I am petite but, I have sisters who are not and they seem to just think it's OK. I have no idea why anyone would think being fat is OK. It's not. They should be more concerned with their health regardless of whether they can fly or not. They want everyone else to just be just as happy to accommodate them.They pay extra for clothing, furniture, cars, and we know food so, why not fly comfortable? The industry cannot completely redesign every aircraft for people who refuse to redesign themselves. They want the airline to change but, not their lifestyles. Yes, people with health problems have little or no control of their size but, why not prevent these issues in the first place.  Diet, exercise and pull back from the table. If not, there is a high rate of diabetes, heart attacks and strokes. We all know this so, why not just admit, "I messed up" so, they are correct, "My butt is too big". I don't want to be on an airplane full of fat seats filled with fat people. Hell no!!! . Passenger planes are for passengers. Cargo is for freight. They are freight. In this country, freight is a little cheaper. They might want to give it a try. The airline was right. they are fat.

The more weight an airplane has to carry, the more fuel it uses. The more the weight and balance issues becomes a risk. The airlines have gone to smaller planes to reduce the fuel cost and help passengers save money. We will all pay extra if these people have their way.

May 21, 2011 05:32 PM #

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